Big Chihuahuas are Deer Chihuahuas and both are, most likely, Techichi Dogs

I had gotten away from using the “deer” adjective for chihuahuas, but I don’t know why. Maybe because so many akc types say, “There is no such thing as a deer Chihuahua, there are only the short coat and long coated varieties of Chihuahua”. Well, the AKC has no such type of Chihuahua, but that does not mean it does not exist. One thing all these over-sized Chihuahuas have in common is that they lack the apple head of the too small AKC variety.

The history books have tantalizing tidbits about the techichi dogs. Everyone agrees on one thing: that they are small dogs.

This is a very old Spanish depiction of a techichi dog
I have had this sub-project of getting people to recognize the big Chihuahuas or deer Chihuahuas are a landrace dog, native to the deserts of the southwest and northwest Mexico. They probably ARE the techichi dogs described in history books.  I have decided to take the step and call them Techichi dogs. It is a perfect fit in many ways.
Anyway, rather than argue the point over here, I actually bought a domain: http://www.techichi.org  and downloaded wordpress to the site. I will present a variety of arguments for calling the 10 pound or 5 kilo dogs, also known as Chihuahuas, big Chihuahuas or Deer Chihuahuas, Techichi Dogs.
Heck, I could be wrong, but what we have is some kind of landrace small dogs occupying these desert places. They are not just oversized AKC wawas, they are the stock that went into the creation of what is now the Applehead Chihuahua of the AKC. The only reason I think the AKC chis have any of the old techichi blood in them is that the deer heads still show up in the AKC registered dogs, though they are not preferred.
I would like to see a registry of sorts, for these dogs- all of them whether they are neutered or not. I want to see an entirely different kind of registry. A non-profit database kind of registry. 
I would like to see a club, a breed club, get it together and develop the first “standard” for a landrace dog. It will take a whole other way of thinking about breeding- one which, if we are to continue to have non-AKC dogs as pets- we need to think about how nonprofessional breeders can do it best. I hope to take a look at some of the old ways of breeding these very dogs.
Maybe sports could be developed to use their special talents, like say lizard pouncing (with a fake lizard, of course) or digging after ground squirrels. I have one who likes to catch flies- and sometimes does. I have another who has caught and killed two mice of her own. She learned from the cat. And of course, barking at every dandelion fluff that floats by….
I would like to see the little ones who land in local pounds be adopted, so I will continue my “Big Chiwawa” watch on my new blog and move it off this one. Did you know that Chihuahua is a Nahuatl word and some modern day Nahuatl speakers are leaning toward using ‘wawa’ instead of ‘huahua’, which is pronounced exactly the same way. They spell in English, so no longer have to contort Spanish spelling to make a “w” sound.
I am not quite ready to quit this blog, but the day is coming when I will move it all over to my own site. 


 

21 Comments

Kathy

Congratulations. Techichi it is. And I must admit the little fawn colored guy in your photo is a pretty dog.Also interesting is your idea that the type persists because it is mostly dominant genes so that recessives coming in from out-crosses are merely absorbed but not expressed. Does that idea have a history? (My education, such as it is, is pretty hit and miss).We've been mulling over the idea of a registry/database for New Guinea Singing Dogs. Have you found useful software yet? I was hoping for pedigree software that would also accept unlimited info for each individual dog.

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Caitlin Williams

I love the ancient types, ie the ngsd! I have friends with some software, but I was thinking of just setting up a forum. Each person can have a thread for their dog,or a thread for each dog. I haven't thought much past that yet.I think a registry/database should have a lot of individual information- all the health records, for instance.There is probably a WP app that can be used or developed! I'll look for genealogy apps, maybe they can be adapted.

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Kathy

I tried my genealogy app. It had a problem with multiple births. LOLBut I think you are on the right track – all kinds of info, even pix, should be included. I thought it might be possible to arrange it so anyone can add info, but no one can delete or change anyone else's entries. With the singers sometimes memories vary from person to person. Memories can be frail. Dogs change hands, change names, too.Of course, doing it your way, with individual threads, makes sense in that anyone who wants a pedigree could assemble his own by searching your data base.

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Caitlin Williams

I have not thought this part through, for sure! But on a forum, each has control over his own posts and no one else can change them. I was thinking that might make a start.

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Pai

I think the apple head is also a product of breeding for extreme small size. The 'apple head' trait is common in toy breeds, and is a fault in some.

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Caitlin Williams

Hi! Which breed is is a fault in? There seem to be the two types the cobby with the apple head and the deerlike.

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Pai

Pomeranians, Toy Fox Terriers, and Min Pins are ones that I can think of off the top of my head. And, of course, Cresteds and Xolos.

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sam

I think standerds could be dangerous for true land raise types but on the whole think your most deff on the right track.I want a data base open to ALL dogs that pedigrees, genetic testing results, photo & any results from trials, show, dog sports etc etc as well as well as an honest take on the individual dogs temp etc but I'm a dreamer, lol.

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Caitlin Williams

sam. I heartily agree! I think standards should be abandoned and just a couple of typy traits be listed. It doesn't matter if a dog does not have them all, the point is to outcross and keep outcrossing ad finitum, even if type is not good in some, that can be made up in a new generation. the best way to keep the gene pool rich and complex, is for a lot of dogs to have just one litter- assuming they are sound. The more dogs used to breed the more richness is retained in the geneool and that is what a landrace needs.

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sam

Yep I agree I would rather see a sound untypey bitch reproduced than an unsound typey bitch. I think the standerds & people belief that they need to be followed as exactly as possible has been the downfall of many breeds, not to mention how extreme some seem to read the standerd.I just think people need o start using their common sence more & getting out & about visit as many differntly run breeding programes as you possibley can & get your hands on as many different dogs as possible so you understand what breeds what etc.Too many people are so shut into their own boxes & really don't even know how others do things & why, they are just are scared to look outside their square & god forbid find out someone that they call a byb is actually producing healthy of body & mind dogs fit to function & serve a purpose what ever that purpose may be. But then I see pets as serving a purpose just a different 1 to working dogs etc & that opens a whole new can of worms, lol.

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Caitlin Williams

I hope you keep an eye on this blog. Or subscribe or something.I am with you on this!I hope to step outside the box and help create a new paradigm for recognizing a good small dog, dog ownership and breeding, if and when breeding is done.

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claire

Hi there, I just came across this website (trail of links… dogster.com forums, then Border Wars, then here from a comment) and I think it's fascinating!I adopted my dog Bruno from PACC in Tucson two years ago. He was listed as a Lab/Shepherd mix, even though he really doesn't look like either (He looks like a black Kelpie with a spitz curled tail) and only weighs 49 lbs. I got him DNA tested and the result came back that his primary breed was Chihuahua! I thought, "that can't be right!" but I remember seeing a lot of oversize (by AKC standards) Chihuahua-type dogs in Tucson, so I figured his parent was a poorly-bred oversize Chi, which mated with a large mutt-dog to make a Bruno. Sounds more like it was probably a Techichi dog… and Bruno is a true Tucson landrace mutt! That's kind of what I figured all along, but it's cool to see documentation. I see others that look just like him every time I check the PACC listings.I love him to bits and he's a real character- very primitive-dog physically and mentally- independent, predatory, territorial, athletic, and very low-maintenance- he takes care of himself. Never been sick or injured in two years of living with him.

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Caitlin Williams

Hi Claire!Thanks for that great comment! Do you live in Tucson?

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Claire

Nope. I live in Portland, OR. Was just visiting for a workshop/gathering out in the desert (closer to Phoenix) and swung by to visit my sister who lived in Tucson at the time. I had just lost my husky Ginger a month previously and really missed having a dog, so I went down to PACC on a whim ("just to look"- yeah right!) and ended up with a Bruno.

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Caitlin Williams

You came to the right place for a Bruno!

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Nancy

I live in Mexico, recently and most unexpectedly brought home an irresistible street puppy. She is without doubt part, or whole chihuahua and a deer head. I’ve had her a month and she’s gone from 400 to 2500 grams. The local vet thinks she’s 21/2 months old. Having always had purebred dogs she’s a mystery, but such a beauty and what a sweet personality. Docientos is her name since
I paid 200 pesos to the family.

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Sierra

I’m down to join whatever club, or organization you start in order to get the word out about this ancient breed.
I recently got a techichi puppy and after the breeder told me he was purebred deer chihuahua, not one person believed me that he was truly a chihuahua. He’s definitely a different little dog and after some research, i came to the conclusion that I would start telling people he is an ancient techichi… But man, would it be a whole lot easier if I didn’t have to explain what it was every time 🙂 it’s stupid that the akc doesn’t acknowledge it as a breed, but they acknowledged the “labradoodle”. Techichis are more purebred than any apple head chihuahua out there!

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    Caitlin Williams

    Yea Sierra!!! This is one of my favorite replies on this blog! I have a lot more info over at http://www.techichi.org come join me over there. Maybe with two of us working on it, we can get somewhere. At the least you can see what I wrote and ask me to write something else if I don’t give the info you want. I recently expanded the blog to all native American dogs, but the techichi is the best researched and so common! Just look at all the photos I’ve collected from pounds along the texas, New Mex, AZ and California border with Mexico. I think it is up to hundreds. Also send me PHOTOS. If you like what you see, let me know!!!

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Nynah Mason

Hello, Much enjoying your articles – and some others – r/t the small dogs of the Southwest. Yours seem the most spot on to me. Not natives of the area but have serindipitosly collected 3 smallish dogs which seem to
cover deerhead, pearhead and
applehead and ranging 5-10#.
The first looks to me like a
Toy coated Xolo and is *very*
short coated, a devoted alert
companion who can be found
burrowed under bedding, pillows, clothing. They are all
quite amusing company. I look forward to reading
through as many of your
articles as I can find.
It seems reasonable to me
that dogs, left to their own
devices, will perhaps develop
into different types depending
on geographic location and
that the different types are
variations on a theme. It
takes some human
interference to develop more specific unusual breed types.
Thank you for your articles!
Nynah

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C wandtke

How does one find a 10 chi or techichi dog? I’ve searched high and low

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    Caitlin Williams

    First, Try Petfinder in places near you. Put in “Chihuahuas”. Many will be the bigger longer nosed, longer legged type I call the original landrace type of Techichi.

    Next try petfinder in the Southwest. Tucson to LA San diego and El paso, (which search will give you the heartland of the Techichi in the Mesilla Valley in Southern NM.)

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